Kara before Heroics reply My guild is a small one comprising nothing but rl friends and f-of-f's.
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We have Kara on farm and are farming it for a while before we seriously head for ZA ( we wiped at Nalorakk on first real try, so I think we should be ZA ready soon).
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We will almost certainly never see 25-man content and I'm fine with that.
More 10s and maybe a 15 might be nice though.
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Anyway we have some new members only just reached 70, or getting there soon.
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I know they're excited about Kara and heroics.
They have no idea what Kara or heroics are like, but they can sense they're somewhat exciting.
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Problem is, they are getting plenty of free guild runs through normal instances.
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Runs from players seriously overgeared for normal instances, and so experienced with heroics that they're generally not much of a challenge anymore either.
This is worrying to me.
All they did was level to 70 by grinding and questing, and we all know you don't even need to roll your face across the keyboard to get there, you just slump over it will do.
All of them need to l2p.
That day my guild were running Kara leaving the newbies behind, and I missed Kara having logged on late.
They wanted to doa run, and I was very happy to help them with a normal SV run.
But NOT on my prot pally who can pretty much pull the whole instance in one go.
S0 I took my severely undergeared, badly prot-specced warrior to tank.
And I hadn't even used this war for anything other than dailies for 6 months.
For the first time ever, these enwbies got to do a proper run instead of having free blues handed to them for simply being on follow and pretending to do whatever their class is supposed to do.
Disaster on some trash pulls - sheeper not experienced enough to keep sheep sheeped, hunter getting into all sorts of trouble with trap, healer standing right in the middle of fray to heal.
Basically everything done wrong because they never had to do it properly.
Coordinationa nd awareness.
Non-existent.
Multiple wipes on lightning boss - no one watching clouds, or at the very least their own health bar in order to move away quick.
Steamrigger - not watching for adds.
Kalithresh - don't remember how many attempts before they finally manged to start killing tanks before the chanelling was done.
Absolutely none of these I will take into Kara or heroics.
Not that we will wipe, we can comfortably carry a couple through at any one time.
Simply because they will never learn to play their class, and thereby actually enjoy playing their class because they're good at it.
Hasn't come to that yet, but if any of them are invited to Kara at their current level of skill and gear, I will speak out.
Especially since we have healer friends with dps alts who have been bringing their healers simply because they're needed when they'd rather bring their dps classes.
To bring a newbie dps who does not know his or her class over their heads is not something I will be strongly against.
PS It's not just their class they need to learn, only from doing proper 5mans will they learn about other classes at all, and that's just as important.
I am sure there are many of us who don't play every class, but know a fair bit abuot every class from experience.
Yeah, in my case, I think every new totally fresh 70 should be running plenty of normal instances first..