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[12 Jun 2003|02:11am]
squeezyk4: I love you guys, you are the bestest friends ever!!!!
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this weekend [02 Jun 2003|12:03am]
[ mood | thankful ]
[ music | 12 stones- back up ]

thursday: went home with a couple dormates and hung out... didn't do much thursday night. we watched harry potter!! yay. haha. then we all went to sleep since on friday we had to go out to the pala indian reservatinon to do some field research for our soc. 65 (american indian/white relations)... it was really depressing. we got up at 9 and ate and then drove out there... which was fun.. nick and alex are cool fools.. haha. but yah we first go to the cultural center and take a walk around and then go look at the old mission and all that. we listend to a few depressing stories and then we went to the casino and got the run-around.. they thought we were doing some expose (sp?) on the casino and yah.. we didn't have any bad intentinos but spent over 2 hrs doing nothing. so lame....

anyways, friday night we ate dinner with my parents and then drove back up to irvine... we chilled for awhile and then went to a pajama party. the girls were dressed yah.... haha. it was sort of lame since it was a sausage fest but i guess there were more girls coming so we decided to go to a hooka bar in lake forrest... it was so chill. first we got peach was pretty decent.. it didn't hit strong but lasted for awhile compared to fumaries in san diego.. then that ran out and we got mint which was so awesome.. hit a lil harder and was stronger and last forever... so relaxing. then we went back to the party.. more girls... very nice. there was this chick fight... omg so crazy.....

saturday: chilled, ate, went to formal... which was fun. everyone was so drunk but carey and i didn't drink at all and that was sort of cool to have a fun time and not drink. it was at the hilton waterfront in huntington beach and it was so beautiful.. dinner was good and the pinning ceremony was awesome too.. the girls started crying when their boyfriends pinned them.. so cute.. i hope i can do it one day...

today: slept in, ate, chilled with the dormies, went to church, then to lifeteen and spoke and taught and then to a bon fire... i love my dormates.. we all have so much fun and since the year is almost over we were telling our favorite stories that happened over the year... it was so fun. but yah.. time to get readign for finals.. peace

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[31 May 2003|03:24pm]
drdino.com

Dr. Hovind's $250,000 Offer
formerly $10,000, offered since 1990


I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.* My $250,000 offer demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief.



Observed phenomena:

Most thinking people will agree that--
1. A highly ordered universe exists.
2. At least one planet in this complex universe contains an amazing variety of life forms.
3. Man appears to be the most advanced form of life on this planet.

Known options:

Choices of how the observed phenomena came into being--
1. The universe was created by God.
2. The universe always existed.
3. The universe came into being by itself by purely natural processes (known as evolution) so that no appeal to the supernatural is needed.

Evolution has been acclaimed as being the only process capable of causing the observed phenomena.

Evolution is presented in our public school textbooks as a process that:

1. Brought time, space, and matter into existence from nothing.
2. Organized that matter into the galaxies, stars, and at least nine planets around the sun. (This process is often referred to as cosmic evolution.)
3. Created the life that exists on at least one of those planets from nonliving matter (chemical evolution).
4. Caused the living creatures to be capable of and interested in reproducing themselves.
5. Caused that first life form to spontaneously diversify into different forms of living things, such as the plants and animals on the earth today (biological evolution).

People believe in evolution; they do not know that it is true. While beliefs are certainly fine to have, it is not fair to force on the students in our public school system the teaching of one belief, at taxpayers’ expense. It is my contention that evolutionism is a religious worldview that is not supported by science, Scripture, popular opinion, or common sense. The exclusive teaching of this dangerous, mind-altering philosophy in tax-supported schools, parks, museums, etc., is also a clear violation of the First Amendment.


How to collect the $250,000:
Prove beyond reasonable doubt that the process of evolution (option 3 above, under "known options") is the only possible way the observed phenomena could have come into existence. Only empirical evidence is acceptable. Persons wishing to collect the $250,000 may submit their evidence in writing or schedule time for a public presentation. A committee of trained scientists will provide peer review of the evidence offered and, to the best of their ability, will be fair and honest in their evaluation and judgment as to the validity of the evidence presented.

If you are convinced that evolution is an indisputable fact, may I suggest that you offer $250,000 for any empirical or historical evidence against the general theory of evolution. This might include the following:

1. The earth is not billions of years old (thus destroying the possibility of evolution having happened as it is being taught).
2. No animal has ever been observed changing into any fundamentally different kind of animal.
3. No one has ever observed life spontaneously arising from nonliving matter.
4. Matter cannot make itself out of nothing.


My suggestion:
Proponents of the theory of evolution would do well to admit that they believe in evolution, but they do not know that it happened the way they teach. They should call evolution their "faith" or "religion," and stop including it in books of science. Give up faith in the silly religion of evolutionism, and trust the God of the Bible (who is the Creator of this universe and will be your Judge, and mine, one day soon) to forgive you and to save you from the coming judgment on man’s sin.

* NOTE:
When I use the word evolution, I am not referring to the minor variations found in all of the various life forms (microevolution). I am referring to the general theory of evolution which believes these five major events took place without God:

Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves.
Planets and stars formed from space dust.
Matter created life by itself.
Early life-forms learned to reproduce themselves.
Major changes occurred between these diverse life forms (i.e., fish changed to amphibians, amphibians changed to reptiles, and reptiles changed to birds or mammals).



Answers to Commonly Asked Questions about the $250,000 Offer

Students in tax-supported schools are being taught that evolution is a fact. We are convinced that evolution is a religion masquerading as science and should not be part of any science curriculum. It has nothing to do with the subject of science. There are at least six different and unrelated meanings to the word “evolution” as used in science textbooks.


Cosmic evolution- the origin of time, space and matter. Big Bang
Chemical evolution- the origin of higher elements from hydrogen.
Stellar and planetary evolution- Origin of stars and planets.
Organic evolution- Origin of life from inanimate matter.
Macroevolution Origin of major kinds.
Microevolution Variations within kinds. Only this one has been observed, the first five are religious. They are believed, by faith, even though there is no empirical evidence to prove them in any way. While I admire the great faith of the evolutionists who accept the first five I object to having this religious propaganda included in with legitimate science at taxpayer’s expense.


Even a quick review of a typical public school textbook will show that students are being deceived into thinking all six types of evolution above have been proven because evidence is given for minor variations called micro-evolution. The first five are smuggled in when no one is watching.

This deception is a classic case of bait and switch. One definition of evolution (such as “descent with modification”) is given and the others are assumed to be true by association. The first five meanings are believed by faith, have never been observed and are religious. Only the last one is scientific. It is also what the Bible predicted would happen. The animals and plants would bring forth “after their kind” in Genesis 1.

Many have responded to my offer of $250,000 for scientific proof for evolution. The terms and conditions of the offer are detailed very clearly on my web site www.drdino.com. Here are some answers to some commonly asked questions.


The offer is legitimate. A wealthy friend of mine has the money in the bank. If the conditions of the offer are met, the money will be paid out immediately. My word is good.
The members of the committee of scientists that will judge the evidence are all highly trained, have advanced degrees in science as well as many years of experience in their field. For example: there is a zoologist, a geologist, an aerospace engineer, a professor of radiology and biophysics, and an expert in radio metric dating to name a few. They are busy people and do not wish to waste time on foolish responses. Nor do they wish to waste time arguing with skeptics and scoffers who seem to have nothing else to do than ask silly questions when they really don’t want answers (so far this has been the typical response to the offer). I will not reveal their names for this reason. Any legitimate evidence will be forward to them and they will respond. At that time they may identify themselves if they choose. The merit of the evidence presented and the reasonableness of their response does not depend on who they are.
Evidence of minor changes within the same kind of plant or animal does not qualify as evidence and will not be sent to the committee to waste their time. For example, doubling the chromosome number of a sterile hybrid does not add additional genetic information; it duplicates what is already present in the parent plant. Because of the absence of additional genetic information the resultant plant can't be classified as different or new species. The plant may differ in a number of ways - bigger, vigorous as observed in any polyploid plants. Such easily recognizable phenotypic changes have confused many. Some evolutionists have jumped to the conclusion that a new species has been evolved. The key is that no new genetic information has been added. Even a new “species” is not proof for evolution as the offer calls for. See the conditions of the $250,000 offer on the web site. Some have insisted on a precise definition of the word “kind”. The Bible defines “kind” as those that are able to “bring forth” or reproduce. Those animals that were originally able to reproduce were of the same kind. There may be diversity now, 6000 years later, that could cause some varieties of the original kind to not be able to reproduce now. For example, I understand that rabbits from Alaska cannot breed with rabbits from Florida yet they are still the same kind of animal. It is obvious that a dog and a wolf are the same “kind” of animal (they are currently classed as different “species” yet are inter-fertile-- hmmm, what is the precise definition of “species”?) where a dog and a fish are not. While there may be some blurry areas that would be worthy of research in defining the original kinds, rather than muddy the issue with these type questions it would be wise to focus on the obvious cases like the dog/fish comparison. These are obviously different “kinds” of animals. So, for the sake of clarity, prove the dog and the fish evolved from a common ancestor. The honest scientist would be wise to admit that no evidence exists that could begin to prove the dog and the fish have a common ancestor. He may believe that they are related but that is not science and that is my point in the offer. Some believe this type of evolution happens but it should not be presented to innocent students as a “fact”. Further, it certainly is not evidence that the other four definitions of evolution have occurred.
The idea that the majority of scientists believe in the theory is not evidence either. Majority opinion is often wrong and must be corrected. History is full of examples.
Anonymous letters will be ignored.

Rather than simply sending in scientific evidence for evolution, some have wasted lots of their time and mine sending letters demanding to know who is on the committee, what bank account the money is in, asking Bill Clinton type questions about the definition of words like “is”, etc. When I do not respond the way they want me to they post notices on their web sites claiming that I owe them the money or that the offer is a sham! It is obvious they are using the Red Herring tactic to draw attention away from the fact that they have no evidence to support the religion of evolution. I tell everyone who inquires, if you have some evidence, send it in, don’t beat around the bush. Give us the best you have on the first try please to save time.

Many have offered evidence of microevolution and assumed that the other 5 meanings of the word are somehow magically connected. They don’t seem to realize that they are blinded to the obvious. Treat the $250,000 offer as a lawyer would treat a ‘who-done-it’ case. It is your job to prove that what is being taught to our kids as fact (all six meanings of the word evolution above), is indeed a fact. If this cannot be done then it should be admitted that evolution is a religion but not a science. Some say it is unfair to define evolution including the origin of the universe. They say it only has to do with “change in gene frequency over time.” All you need to do is read your local textbook and see that all 6 meanings of the word are part of what is taught as evolution theory. If these nay Sayers are agreeing that it should not be included then they should help me get it out of the books, if they are genuine.

Over the years I have heard many evolutionists say, “Evolution is a theory like gravity is a theory. Don’t you believe in gravity?” They repeat this mantra as if repetition will make it true. Their example is silly of course. We can all observe gravity every moment of our lives. We can do tests and experiments to verify the theory of gravity. No one has ever seen an exception to it. By the same token, no one has ever observed evolution nor been able to demonstrate any evolution beyond minor variations within the kind. To try to make evolution science by associating it with theories like gravity is ridiculous.

Nearly all responses to my $250,000 offer go something like this: “Of course no one can prove evolution, can you prove creation?” This response is what I expected and wanted. Neither theory of origins can be proven. Both involve a great deal of faith in the unseen. So my next logical question is: “Why do I have to pay for the evolution religion to be taught to all the students in the tax supported school system?” Since all taxpayers are being forced to pay for evolution to be taught exclusively in public schools and evolutionists have had the last 130 years and billions of dollars in research grants to prove their religion, the burden of proof is on them to supply proof of their theory.

I do not have time or interest in getting involved in long e-mail debates, but I will talk to anyone by phone or debate with any qualified scientist (even a panel of evolutionists) in a public forum at a university, on radio or TV, as long as there is equal time for each position not each person. If you call, please have a list of topics to discuss or questions to ask and feel free to record the conversation if you like. Just inform me that you are recording please. I hope this response is satisfactory.

I have taught for years that evolution is nothing but a religion mixed in with real science. Many have been duped into believing in it. There is no evidence that any plant or animal ever can or did change to any other kind or creature. It is time that intelligent people the world over began to admit that the king has no clothes! There is no evidence for changes between kinds of animals. The Bible teaches that God made them to “bring forth after their kind.” This is all that has ever been observed. The same Bible teaches that everyone will face the Creator one day to be judged for everything they have said, done or thought. I recommend that everyone prepare for that day by taking advantage of God’s mercy and forgiveness afforded through the free salvation offered to any who will confess their sin and receive Jesus Christ as their Lord. If you are interested in learning more about becoming a Christian, please call me. I travel a lot but always take time for calls when I am in the office. I am most often in Wednesday through Friday at 850-479-3466. Check my itinerary on my web site for my location if you need to talk with me while I am out speaking. If possible, attend a seminar. Seminars are free and we always have a question answer time for those who attend.


Sincerely,


Kent Hovind
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[26 May 2003|11:04pm]
from now and all my posts are friends only
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[19 May 2003|05:09pm]
conversatio between my mom and i today.. haha. my dad just got back from my cousin's wedding in new york...

FlowerLovingGirl: Dad is home, he's tired of course. A funny story - after the wedding all the Fitzpatricks (20 or so) stayed at the same hotel. After 2:00 the bar closed, so a bunch of them went upstairs & raided their mini bars. Dad went to bed at 3. At 5 am, John (your cousin the groom) went downstairs to buy a pack of cigarettes (must have been a wild wedding nite) and there was Uncle Larry sitting there all by himself with a drink in his hand. Sad! So John told him to go to bed. That's the Fitzpatricks for you, its the Irish blood.
ryanfitz1604: hahahaha
ryanfitz1604: sometimes i swear
ryanfitz1604: i have a crazy family
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[19 May 2003|05:01pm]
today is my brother kellin's birthday... my lil lil brother sean got him candybars.. that is awesome. haha.
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i don [19 May 2003|11:40am]
1) Last cigarette: never
2) Last car ride: um last night
3) Last kiss: um about a month ago, britt.
4) Last good cry: not too long ago
5) Last Library Book Checked Out: beats me.. a course reserve book for soc. 65
6) Last movie seen: matrix II and x-men II
7) Last Book Read: The Bible
8) Last cuss word uttered: Damn
9) Last beverage drank: water
10) Last Food consumed: In-n-out
11) Last Crush: ........
12) Last phone call: my mom
13) Last TV show watched: family guy
14) Last Item Bought: bacardi silver 0'
15) Last time showered: last night
16) Last shoes worn: dvs
17) Last CD played: 12 stones
18) Last downloaded: john mayer secret song
19) Last annoyance: a couple..
20) Last disappointment: not being able to hang out with people when i go home cuz of their dumb parents
21) Last soda drank: pepsi
22) Last thing written: what i need to study for anthro and a Bible verse
23) Last key used: one to open my room or delete key.. haha
24) Last word spoken: nerd
25) Last trip to the bathroom: last night
26) Last sleep: half hour ago
27) Last IM: cindy
30) Last weird encounter:3 kids riding skatboards wearing a cow, marine, and cheerleader costume.. for no reason.....
32) Last ice cream eaten: 1 minute ago.. cokies n cream
34) Last time wanting to die: now because of my sunburn!!
35) Last time in love: never been except for the love that i have for all my family and friends
36) Last time hugged: a few minutes ago
37) Last time scolded: can't remember
38) Last time resentful: now.. should have gone to the dmv sooner
39) Last chair sat in: the one i am in right now
43) Last shirt worn: shirtless nwo but had a siemens colored shirt on
44) Last class attended: um... soc 1.
45) Last Final taken: last quarter.. don't remember that too much
46) Last time dancing: it has been awhile.. will be doing a lot of it soon.. slg party
47) Last poster looked at: dave's brittney spears poster
48) Last show attended: tiger army
49) Last webpage visited: www.espn.com :P
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[18 May 2003|11:46pm]
[ mood | energetic ]
[ music | 12 stones, in my head ]

this weekend:

friday night: i worked from 4:30-9:30 in costa mesa @ some community center thing. it was so awesome. like it was this formal father-daughter girl scout dance thing and was so awesome. like it was so much fun cuz the girls didn't care about anything. plus they were just cute running around everywhere. i cannot wait til i am 27 and married and have my own kids running around. God willing i'll have 2 boys and 1 girl.
after work i came back here and we decided that we were going to throw a little party in the dorms... nothing big just a few people (we had also done this the night before). so we go to "the store" and get "the supplies" and just chill. nothing is better than just hanging out and fooling around with friends. the only thing is i had to leave at 2 for palm springs so that was sort of lame but oh well.

saturday: drove to palm springs with jay and asif and got there around 4:15ish. i thought all the guys would be sleeping but they were all up. oh, this was a retreat with my fraternity (sig ep!). we had 50 guys in a 5 bedroom house so it was a little tite but it all worked well. the only two things that sucked were (1) the sunburn i have and (2) the 6 hours of sleep total i got (which were spent on a table). other than that it was such an awesome experience and break from normal irvine life. saturday day we just chilled in the pool playing water polo (with a football) and watching movies and eating and chillin... it was awesome... that night we got a lot accomplished and so the exec. decided that we could throw a lil party and yah.. that was way awesome.. best game/funniest game of kings ever. it didn't matter if girls weren't there... we had so much fun. sometimes girls just make everything more complicated.... blah. but they do have their perks and it sucks not having that intimate relationship with someone... someday. no worries.

sunday: woke up and cleaned the house and then drove back to irvine, slept for 3 hours til churh (woke up 4 times because of idiot dormates) and then took a cold shower (because of the sunburn) and went to church... i love olqa (our lady queen of angels).. it is so beautiful and the people there are way cool. i am a core member/youth leader for lifeteen which is awesome. last night after church we all just played softball and that was way fun. the best thing about there is that the kids (despite the fact that they are so diverse) come together under God and get along so well... sort of like the dorms and my fraternity. we all are so diverse but we coexist and have the bestest times. it is way coolio. :P. after that we all went to in-n-out and then back to the dorms for me and just chilled til bed at 2.. had a good talk with dave about "stuff" and that is always good.

prom: well i am going to my high school prom with my awesome friend jessica norton. it should be way fun.. we are going to peohes and coronado island and taking the ferry over there... which will be coolio. the dance is at the hyatt san diego and is an awesome place. that is where it was last year also.. which was also way fun (taylor!) too bad i didn't win but at least carey did (prom court).

fraternity formal: yet another dance with my best friend girl carey... we have gone to what.. 4 dances together and so i know this will be awesome. it is being held at the mariott waterfront in hunington beach (i think). which is so beautiful. that'll be way fun too.

one more midterm this week: stinky cheese!!!! i can't wait for this year to be over so i can go home. blah to school.

well it is shower time and then off to the dmv to get a new license since my wallet was stolen.... :(. byeee

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[14 May 2003|04:51pm]
as soon as i get more time i'll update.. so much to tell..
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[02 May 2003|05:44pm]
sorry i haven't really talked a lot lately.. i have no time.. i am barely in my own room. it sucks.. of course it is my fault but i love being involved in stuff and i just started swimming a lot so yah... i wake up everyday at 7:00 to swim so in some ways it is good cuz i have more time and i am getting in alright shape but yah... blah. i also just got hired on as a youth leader (or core member) for our lady queen of angels which is awesome.. i am really excited.. it seems that when i have no time i make things worse by doing more but i am just weird like that. songfest is finally over!! yay.. i am going to miss it though but i do have more time because of it.. well i did but with everything else it is back to having no time but whatever.. i shouldn't complain because i have so much to be thankful for.. honestly i have so many blessings that i should just thank God for but what do i do.. just complain about how tough life is (oh and it is) and yah.. grrr... constant struggle for me.. well i am off to play more tennis.. bye
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[01 May 2003|11:41am]
i'm sick :( blah
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[30 Apr 2003|03:52pm]
i hate not having a date to formal.... BLAH
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[27 Apr 2003|11:09pm]
you are the strength; that keeps me walking
you are the hope; that keeps me trusting
you are the life to my soul; you are my purpose
you are everything; and how can i
stand here with you; and not be moved by you
would you tell me; how could it be
any better than this...
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[23 Apr 2003|02:09am]
its our struggles that define us
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[21 Apr 2003|12:53am]
i have come to the conclusion that girls suck... sounds good to me. i am sick of hoey smokers that just lie and sadly that is my whole school
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[16 Apr 2003|03:56pm]
http://community.webshots.com/user/ryanfitz1604
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[14 Apr 2003|04:04pm]
stole this from vac513

x. I am: Ryan
x. I hurt: when someone else hurts or i feel truely alone
x. I love: A lot of things, way too many to list.
x. My favorite word: nerd
x. I want: to know God's plan
x. I hate: feeling stupid
x. I cry: when i leave home to come back to uc irvine
x. I fear: never finding my one true love
x. I hope: that this year ends soon
x. I feel alone: like sometimes it feels good to be alone.. like if u are in a house by yourself. u can just walk around naked.. it doesn't feel good though when u realize that u are alone.. i am talking about girls.. not friends.. i have way too many friends so i will never feel alone in that aspect
x. I waste: Time
x. I talk: with my heart
x. I remember: that i have family and friends that love me
x. I sleep with: A pillow.
x. I hide: When I feel hurt.
x. I drive: a 2002 chevy s-10
x. I burn: when i don't put enough sun screen on.. oh well.. it will turn into tan so yay
x. I breathe: Often.
x. I miss: : a lot of people
x. I feel: a lil depressed
x. I know: my limits.
x. I dream: that i will become a laywer and president.
x. I live: the best way I know how, usually.
x. I die: eventually.
x. I'm wearing: a black sig ep shirt, jeans, boxer briefs, dvs socks and shoes
x. I'm listening to: evanescence
x. Tomorrow I will: wake up at 7 and go swim come back around 8:30 and take a shower, eat go to class from 9:30-4:50 and then go eat and then maybe study and do songfest crap
x. I will talk to: a lot of people
x. Do you like anyone?: sort of.. hard to explain
x. Nicknames?: fitz, fitzy, fitty, fitz-a-roonie, roone, roone-dog, sex God
+-| 10 People you talk to regularly daily |-+
[1] Dave
[2] Duder
[3] Shafer
[4] Britt
[5] CLO firneds
[6] Katie
[7] Carey
[8] Sig Eps
[9] Family
[10] Sophia

+-| 5 Movies that you like |-+
[1] Gladiator
[2] The Outsiders
[3] Dumb and Dumber
[4] Supertroopers
[5] Swordfish

+-| 5 things that scare you |-+
[1] Being alone
[2] Death
[3] Being misunderstood
[4] Making bad choices
[5] drugs

-+| 5 things you hate |-+
[1] hypocrites
[2] Lying
[3] Being stood up
[4] Misinterpreting things / being misinterpreted
[5] Greed

-+| 5 things you don't understand |-+
[1] People
[2] Myself sometimes
[3] "Nothing"
[4] "Everything"
[5] school

-+| 5 things you can do |-+
[1] Write... Sometimes
[2] Help others
[3] love
[4] play sports
[5] surf

-+| 5 Things You Can't Do |-+
[1] Fly
[2] See the future
[3] Stop listening to good music
[4] Just forget about the things that really matter
[5] Figure out human nature
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[14 Apr 2003|12:14pm]
ice cream is so gosh darn cute
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[12 Apr 2003|09:47pm]
http://www.thespark.com/
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[12 Apr 2003|09:40pm]
ambiguous717: shes the girl in sophys wallet/on her wall
ambiguous717: not bad..skinny pretty
ambiguous717: she thought i was cute :-P
ryanfitz1604: ooooooooOoooooooooH
ryanfitz1604: quickie ay
ambiguous717: well..what can i say haha no
ambiguous717: im down to bone jessica...
ambiguous717: what?
ambiguous717: i mean
ambiguous717: brittany v.
ambiguous717: waht? i mean janie
ambiguous717: uhh did i mention lil carle
ambiguous717: i mean julie carle
ambiguous717: uhh imean
ambiguous717: im soo horny right now
ambiguous717: damn
ryanfitz1604: don't worry.. that is going in my blurty journal/info
ambiguous717: o wait
ambiguous717: !!
ryanfitz1604: MUHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
ambiguous717: i forgot EMILY umm ya bend that over and run the sub thru the port a few times ....periscope up, periscope down..periscope up...periscope down!!! whooo hoo
ambiguous717: lol ewww nevar!!!!!!!!!1
ambiguous717: u better not!!!!!! >:o
ryanfitz1604: um LOOK AT YOUR INFO U RETARD
ambiguous717: hahlol
ambiguous717: o well
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