Response to Athiyaman Karur
As regular readers of my column might have noticed I am involved in fighting for real gender equality.
A small preamble here
One Athiyaman's mail (his mail is enclosed in "quotes") prompted this response
NOTE 1 : "Athiyaman" : The name "Athiyaman ", is an ancient Tamil name of a philanthropist, generous donor who lived in ancient days on Tamil Land.
Note 2 : NOW.... !! THIS MODERN DAY, Athiyaman just has an ancient name, but seems to lack philanthropy or even discretion on right and wrong !!!
Athiyaman Karur wrote:
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I have a personal experience some years ago,
when my brother-in-law simply abandoned my
sister (along with her two daughters), when
he had a liaison with another women. He refused
to talk nor support his own children. We had
no recourse except to file a complaint under
anti-dowry case. (there was some dowry harassment
in the beginning, but it was resolved then).
And now after nearly eight years they are
reunited.
So eight years ago, this particular MODERN DAY Athiyaman must have got a poor soul (his brother in law) handcuffed or threatened him with arrest and made a henpecked husband out of his brother in law i.e. filed a false dowry case against his brother in law and en slaved him.
This is a classic SLAVE MENTALITY
In Roman times, Most slaves were controlled by other slaves. The controlling slaves got a few morsel of bread extra.
This is classic case where MEN SUPPORT MIS USE OF DOWRY LAWS
This modern day Athiyaman might be from a place called Karur (his second name is KArur. Many Tamils have their village or town name as the second name)
Today, Karur has ANOTHER classic 498A case, with the husband, A TECHIE FROM THE US, being asked for A RANSOM OF something like Rs. 75 laks to a CORE.
This techie is a silent member of our groups of FALSELY ACCUSED HUSBANDS !!
THERE MAY BE MANY OTHER CASES IN KARUR, un known to SIF, as generally have less than 5% hit rate in identifying and talking to victims
This modern day Athiyaman does NOT realize the POISON THAT HE HAS RELEASED into the minds of people, how he has polluted the society and how he has un leashed terror in other families
The British DID NOT capture India all alone. They were ably aided and supported in INDIAN turn coats.
These turn coats never realized their sins and remained faithful to their GREED (for money, women etc etc) and colonial masters.
There was NO meaning EVER in arguing with these turn coats - men who enslave men !!
regards
Vinayak
Athiyaman Karur wrote:
Hi Sachit,
Your English and manners, both needs
improvement.
No one has the accurate statistics about
the percentage of bogus cases. I agree that
there is gross misuse of the law, but i
disagree with the motives of wives who file
bogus cases. Not for money alone, probably
revenge against torturing husbands and
in-laws.
I have a personal experience some years ago,
when my brother-in-law simply abandoned my
sister (along with her two daughters), when
he had a liasion with another women. He refused
to talk nor support his own children. We had
no recourse excpet to file a complaint under
anti-dowry case. (there was some dowry harrasement
in the beginning, but it was resolved then).
And now after nearly eight years they are
reunited.
And one of my cousin sister commited suicide
in 1981 due to harrasement by husband and
in-laws. and no action could be taken then.
There is always the other side of the coin.
Why do you attribute greedy motives for wives
who file false cases. Arn't husbands and in-laws
greedy ? My view is that wronged wives with a
vengence file false cases. The percentage too
is not clear. There is no concrete data on the
percentage of genuine cases Vs false cases.
Only after these stringent and pro-women law
has been enforced for the past few decades, has
the number of 'stove-explosion' cases where the
new bride dies in an 'accident has been reduced.
Pls ask the people who lived in 1970s and 80s
about the number of such cases.
Such torture pushed the govt to enact very
tough laws. and they are misused, no doubt.
but what percentage ? I think the police don't
arrest a husband on a mere complaint. there
is always an enquiry and of course there is
corruption among police and people are ready
to bribe the police to accompolish their
objectives.
Is it wrong to be a feminist ? (And how
do you define a feminst). and is it
right to be a male chauvinsit pig ?
My wife strongly agrees with my views.
Athiyaman
Chennai
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(Anonymous)
2006-05-21 03:26
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Don't you think its but natural that your wife will agree with you ????
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(Anonymous)
2006-05-21 11:29
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How is it natural? let me know. any solo-brain can say it is individual based.
My question to all Indian fools who participated in designing this law 498a is that, when husband and his family doesn't stay with wife for 3 or more yrs, how dare this law permits to jail..i mean JAIL the whole family. do these idiots thought that, these senior citizens are terrorists or what to put felony charge of 498a.???
As long as corruption and bad idiots sit on top of govt., these things happen. we need more youngsters coming out of marriages to do the work of these idiots.
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 vinayak
2006-05-23 01:16
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1. The earlier question about Athiyaman's wife agreeing with him was a POKE at the way Athiyaman has justified his cause. It was NOT meant to be read in the literal sense !!
2. I agree that corruption is rampant
3. I feel 498A is worse than corruption. It is corruption added to draconian power in the hands of an irate wife who wreaks vengeance
regards
Vinayak
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(Anonymous)
2006-05-21 03:27
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tomorrow what would you do if you had a difference of opinion and your wife filed a FALSE DOWRY case against you ??
YOUR WIFE will still agree !!, but will that do ?
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(Anonymous)
2006-05-22 14:17
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My old email, short
Athiyaman Karur,
You asked either majority of cases are false. I had talked to a few lawyers, they say in metro and satelite towns more then 50% criminal cases are related to matrimonial. Almost every matrimonial case is shown as marriage failur due to dowry demand, physical beatings of wife. More then 90% of dowry cases are false.
You will know that each year more % marriages are breking down in India. In many Uropian countries the % of marriage breakdown has increased to such an extent that less the 10% persons dare to marry.
In indutrial nations more then 1 in 4 children are now being raised in single parent families, which I consider not good. Child should be given care of both Mother and father and not just mother. The old persons are also adversaly efected due to this.
The laws are unequal, if a wife wants a divorce, the CAW cell , NAtional commision for women openly threaten the husband to put him in Jail on false Dory, cruality allegations .If contested it is extremely dificult to get a divorce if at all.
The well financed Feminist organizations all over the world, with 1000's of members are contineously fine tuning the strategy. The problem is these portray false picture, distorted surveys, and press agents do press brainwashing.
I want to fight so that correct picture is portrayed, not feminazi picture, false cases are reduced.
Marriages break up due to variety of reasons, and now a days more wifes are at fault then Husbands. At the time of marriage wife will agree to do 2 children, when husband asks to do 2 children some file dowry cases etc. They think with feninist control on law making and press, how dare a lowly husbad open his mouth in presnce of working wife. Some girl will say they will not live for a single day with husbands relatives ( which they ofcource speak false to get married ), later when they have decided to file cases they will live for some time to harress husbands relativs also by barbaric laws.
Wife has serious health problems which they hide to get married to better husband.
or husband is not able to provide material comforts equal to her parents place, so cruality and dowry are put. etc.
Physical beatings and constant threats to distroy his life by not giving divorce and false cases is a eveyday reality for many husbands.
I am fighting for reducing false cases by wifes. If you can not give divorce to husband then at least let him do child after 7 years of seperation by surrogacy. Presently seperated men and women can legally become parents by ART ( Artifisial reproduction techniques, like surrogacy ), I want this right of having child given to mor ethen 7 years seperated husbands. Usually husbands do not get child cousody.
Maintenance in tens of thousand is as easy as filing a simple maintenance case. You get maintenance from the date of filing case, interim maintenance starts within a year in most case.
Please do some research and join us in geting equal laws for men.
I think you will know any house a women is living in as per new Domestic violence bill, thether husband or some of his relative or friend ownd the house. The women can not be asked to leave the house if she file a complait on hsband. All person she names wil have to leave the house.
You may have also heard the new National commsion of women proposal, that since Rape is considered crual by society, and viewed as forceful crual sex. So NCW ( taught by foreign feminazi organizations ) is saying even if there was no sex, call it Rape ( to fool the press and public ), then life term, ( death penality is too soft ).
Another new proposal which is likel to be passed is that give anyone doing false complaint of Rape ( no sex or medical test required ), Rs 2 lakhs. The problem is 2 lakhs is sufficient for many poor and bad correcter women to implicate moneyed persons in false rape cases. If women consider rape to be such a bad offence, to merit death or life term jail, then a real rape victim will come to court to get the coulprit punished, she wll not ask 2 lakhs to come to court.
So it is duty for good persons to fight for true picture, to save old parents and childs development. Not spoiling lifes of good persons by bad persons using onesided unequal laws.
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2006-05-23 01:19
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1. The level of misuse if severe
2. conviction in 498A cases is only 2%. The other 98% are NOT convicted
3. Yes. It IS the duty of honest citizens to fight such a draconian law
regards
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vinayak
2006-05-23 01:20
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1. The level of misuse if severe
2. conviction in 498A cases is only 2%. The other 98% are NOT convicted
3. Yes. It IS the duty of honest citizens to fight such a draconian law
4. 1000s of people have been blackmailed to pay and settle out off court. This is NOTHTING SHORT OF RANSOM
regards
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